rhyee wrote:
3. On the surface iON is adamant about no "individuality" in the Guf but what iON has said about the birth of a person and the "stages" thereof from the new glass of water in the Guf - if one listens closely - implies other complications, especially when one tackles "reincarnation" and what the Evergreens said about that compared with iON.
If the Non-Physical glass of water is full of unrealized creations that are driving to be realized, then what part of the individual decides which unrealized creations get scooped into the glass?
BOB: I don't know what or who scoops the glass.
iON, so far, makes it sound like a "deus ex machina".
And if it's like water, how could the individual know which tiny particles (unrealized creations), out of so many, are included?
BOB: Yes, it doesn't sound like the "individual" has much of a say in the Guf. But that doesn't mean there aren't "individuals" in the Guf.
It seems to me that the glass-scooping analogy implies a bit of providence or even randomness because it seems incomprehensible that an individual could know the entire range of unrealized creations he's scooping into the glass.
BOB: Yes, that's the thinking behind my first 2 answers above.
It seems difficult to discern between the individual and group dynamics using that analogy because the individual is emerging from the Guf, which has no individuality.
Chad
BOB: Yup, we're still trying to get more from iON on these dynamics.
Maybe this dialogue will prompt some new clarifications from iON - either here or in private sessions.
Thanks for the input.