Dupes of Non-Physical

3. On the surface iON is adamant about no "individuality" in the Guf but what iON has said about the birth of a person and the "stages" thereof from the new glass of water in the Guf - if one listens closely - implies other complications, especially when one tackles "reincarnation" and what the Evergreens said about that compared with iON.

If the Non-Physical glass of water is full of unrealized creations that are driving to be realized, then what part of the individual decides which unrealized creations get scooped into the glass?

BOB: I don't know what or who scoops the glass.

iON, so far, makes it sound like a "deus ex machina".

And if it's like water, how could the individual know which tiny particles (unrealized creations), out of so many, are included?

BOB: Yes, it doesn't sound like the "individual" has much of a say in the Guf. But that doesn't mean there aren't "individuals" in the Guf.

It seems to me that the glass-scooping analogy implies a bit of providence or even randomness because it seems incomprehensible that an individual could know the entire range of unrealized creations he's scooping into the glass.

BOB: Yes, that's the thinking behind my first 2 answers above.

It seems difficult to discern between the individual and group dynamics using that analogy because the individual is emerging from the Guf, which has no individuality.

Chad

Bob,

Do you think that iON's ability to access so much information is because JW is not rejecting the organ implant of the entire Android Meme which occurred when it imploded into humans (as happened with the Chemical, Astral, TV and Chip Bodies)?

BOB: Remember, Chad, the Android Meme was the total mixture of the 4 Bodies (1977-2000).

What has been added since Aug., 2008 (maybe, but at least since March 18/09), is the Mystery Body as IFO.

Accepting those definitions (and iON does), I would agree with your assessment of JW's role in the iONic "possession".

Because, if the whole A.M. is now etherealized down to the level of simply being an organ within us,

BOB: Yes.

wouldn't that be like each of us having NP in us while also having a part of us in the Guf?

BOB: The way you're saying this isn't precise enough because NP and the Guf have always been "inside" of us.

As in, we were living in the Android Meme and now it is living in us, but we still have the after image that we are still living in it.

Chad

BOB: Remember, Chad, the Android Meme was the total mixture of the 4 Bodies (1977-2000).

What has been added since Aug., 2008 (maybe, but at least since March 18/09), is the Mystery Body as IFO.

Accepting those definitions (and iON does), I would agree with your assessment of JW's role in the iONic "possession".

Just to be clear, do you mean that the AM became an organ after 2000 and the Mystery Body became an organ since approximately Aug 2008 - March 18 2009?