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Bart has an engagement with iON
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Author:  rhyee [ February 24th, 2011, 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  Bart has an engagement with iON
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Bob Neveritt
Author:  aSH [ February 24th, 2011, 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bart has an engagement with iON
Interesting about the cheesy squeeze page for the "RNA Juice"...I think its funny as hell that Matt's using all of the iON speak and even claiming to provide "bread of living water"... (Matt's site as listed in that blog http://rnadrops.com/default.aspx )

I may have been born yesterday...but I stayed up all night. I'm not buying it.

EDIT: I DO LOVE the talk about OOPARTS. There was an elephant carved from ivory found in Mexico that carbon dates back before "HISTORY" states that elephants could have ever been around Mexico or the people could have even traveled that far. Because this new artifact totally challenged the already established paradigm of the main stream history, instead of possibly re-thinking or re-writing anything, they THROW OUT the OOPART! That's why I love ooparts, cause they challenge the agreed upon "reality".
Author:  Bart [ February 25th, 2011, 7:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bart has an engagement with iON
aSH wrote:
Interesting about the cheesy squeeze page for the "RNA Juice"...I think its funny as hell that Matt's using all of the iON speak and even claiming to provide "bread of living water"... (Matt's site as listed in that blog http://rnadrops.com/default.aspx )

I may have been born yesterday...but I stayed up all night. I'm not buying it.



haha I know - that's the first thing I thought when I saw Matt's website.

Not sure why he chose that format, but everything is as it should be.

When I saw it, though, I did sort of groan...Not another supplement. haha

Matt first got in touch with me about the first article I'd written on iON. After
interacting with him a bit, I felt he was on the level, so, I became (cautiously)
curious.

As I said in the article, I feel the drops were somewhat forecast to me through a
friend and contactee (I have no proof, but if you're curious, he shares his story here
- http://bit.ly/cY2kAg).

I hadn't thought about the connection as a sort of sign / calling card I'd placed for
myself until Bob mentioned it during our phone call...Then a light when on. Of course! haha

What was unique about my friend's contact story is that it centered around
a future version of himself, who'd shown up throughout his life, but also included
future, human ETs / time travelers ("parallel worlders"). It also included portals,
which is really cool!

He'd said that this future version of himself was always much more physically fit / handsome.

The notion was foreign to me at the time; that is, that there were human ETs and
these folks, an advanced, upgraded form of "us", would return and make contact
with us (this was in 2008, and I hadn't gotten that far in my research along those
lines. I was still dealing with orbs and ufos).

There were a couple of occasions he recalls encountering this "drink".

What he said was that, the human ETs presented him with this little Dixie
cup (like a plastic Nyquil cup) with this milky substance in it. What he said happened
was just as I described it.

This liquid would bring the body into some sort of peak state: it would grow muscle,
and tighten up the physique. My friend recalled handicapped people recovering,
and people with missing limbs having them grow back.

It's been a while since I've spoken with him about these experiences, but when
I saw the photo it kind of blew my mind.

Matt's said he's had reports from other folks who were in the test phase, and
they're having phenomenal experiences. He also said that one of the folks testing
the drops was a registered nurse, and said she was experiencing symptoms of
detox.

I believe there is something to this, but I won't advertise until I've tested it.

I've decided to order some of the drops and to create an online journal detailing
my experiences (if any).

From everything I've experienced up to this point, I wouldn't be surprised if
what Matt has created (with iON's help) was revolutionary. And believe me,
I know how that sounds. I'm not only a client, I'm also...Oh, yeah, I'm just a client.

The drops cost, but so do readings with iON.

I have always adhered to the notion that anyone sharing information regarding what's
happening has a responsibility to their fellow man to provide that information free of
charge. I still believe this.

I will admit that it's bothered me that psychics, who could bring a lot of happiness
to folks, charged for their services.

Why (I'm not speaking to you specifically, aSH; just musing (o: ) would you charge for
that information if the only reason you're sharing it was to bring your fellows into a state
of power and knowing? You would reduce the number of people hearing your message,
and this would speak to your sincerity (or lack thereof).

However, there is something else happening as regards energy exchange. iON has
said it; and I've grasped the notion prior to that.

I've never disapproved of paying for services of this type. I've been bothered, yes,
but I always knew there was something to this exchange system...I just couldn't
put my finger on it. As a result, I was on the fence...

What happens when someone offers their services, for example, readings, for free?

First, perhaps, the perceived credibility factor may be reduced.

Second, the audience / customer may feel an entitlement to, or get into a position
of taking taking taking from the provider / reader (my apologies for being prolix...It's
a tendency...You can stop reading here...I just talk about money from here on out).

This constant taking, engaged by many people, would not only undermine the process
and intention of bringing people into their power by making them a) possibly become
dependent upon the reader through ease of access, but (also related) b) turn the process
into a casual endeavor (i.e., to almost become perfunctory with ease of access, and less
likely to be an impetus for true growth).

This taking would also drain and have, possibly, further detrimental effects on the reader.
The drain may actually take the reader out of commission. The regard should be considered
a two-way street.

The exchange in energy is a form of personal commitment. It is a tangible giving of
oneself, because the giver intends to get a return equal to or greater than their expenditure.

It also means you're taking the exchange seriously; bringing it to a level within yourself
that it becomes a greater impetus for your creative force and of greater benefit to you.

What, in particular, monetary (but it can also be barter) exchange does is to increase
one's awareness of the exchange taking place, and to imbue that exchange with
meaning, and a greater intention for that exchange to serve the payer.

A billionaire can throw thousands of dollars a day at psychics. It is less likely, in a case
like that, for the billionaire to achieve meaning and growth from his exchanges. He would
likely treat the exchanges like a trip to the hair stylist.

In matters of spirit, and "moving us along" (metaphorically speaking), what we get can be
considered commensurate (or greater) than what we give.

Even if what you're ultimately paying for is to realize you're Dorothy, and you had the power
all along...Still, it is important, however you do it, to come to that point.

How much consideration are you going to give if you're getting something for free, or paying
a dollar for it; versus how much attention and intention you give when you feel a tangible
and meaningful giving of yourself to this endeavor?

It's an investment of your being. It makes you take the exchange seriously, and gives it
significance to you.

Bringing this back to iON, iON is freely sharing on the open broadcasts for free what he
is, essentially, sharing in his readings. David Wilcock is also following this half and half
model, and I think it's the best way to balance the freedom versus exchange system.

I can't say I've come to a full and complete resolution on the issue of paying in this
arena, but iON and Wilcock seem to have created the perfect solution.

And, as regards Matt, he's gone to great expenditure of his own to create his product,
and to make it available to a greater number of people.

Many people will slough off the product from incredulity, but it is available nonetheless.

I understand the skepticism, and I'm in agreement until I can validate his claims. I have
every confidence, however, that I will.

In any event, I will start a blog page this weekend, as I'm expecting the drops early
next week. We'll see how it goes. My hunch is it will go very well, but you'll know soon
enough.

I write more before 9am than most people write all day! haha

I will try to keep my posts under 1,000 words...And you wonder why I have a website...
Author:  Mattrose [ February 25th, 2011, 8:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bart has an engagement with iON
RNA Juicing...
Author:  tayzay [ February 25th, 2011, 12:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bart has an engagement with iON
...of sowing and reaping:
In Luke 6:38, Jesus assured us that we could count on it. The law of sowing and reaping always works, and it always works the same way for everyone. If you sow bad things, you reap bad things. So He starts off in verse 37 with a warning: "Do not judge!" Guess what happens if you do? You guessed it - you'll reap judgment. But if you refrain from judgment and condemnation, you'll escape reaping it from others. And then he goes on to apply this law of sowing and reaping to our giving of material goods: "Give and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Also:
Genesis 8:22
Galatians 6:7
II Corinthians 9:6
Author:  aSH [ February 25th, 2011, 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bart has an engagement with iON
Thank you Bart for your response and thoughts. Yes, I did continue to read after you warned me not to, lol. I also enjoy the debate about the $$$/energy exchange vs. giving things away for free.

I think we can not boil it down to one size fits all. I have taken seminars that were only $500 and I got SOOO much out of them, I really invested myself into squeezing each seconds worth of experience and value from them...There are trainings I have taken that were significantly more expensive and I got the same amount of growth from them, because I chose to really engage the experience and get everything I could out of the experience. There are trainings that I never paid for, many trainings that others paid for me to take and I still got the same level of growth as if I had paid for them. I have also seen people take trainings they paid $17,500 for and walk away having chosen to not really grow or learn from the experience.

Like you said about the billionaire paying for a reading may not get as much out of it as someone who really values their money...I think its more complicated then that...or at least, I really do believe its up to the individual creator to choose how much they want to invest themselves into that experience (ie. concentration wise) and how much they want to get out of it. I noticed that when I saw there was something at stake, that there was something I really wanted to get out of the training, a particular learning, It didn't matter if the training was for free, if I paid for it or if someone paid ME to be there, I was 110% invested and ready to learn!

So if someone pays $100 for an iON reading and chooses to get something out of it, and someone else pays $100 for an iON reading and chooses to get NOTHING out of it then it really is up to the individual creator to CHOOSE the value they get out of life and their experiences! Thus, not so much about the amount they paid or that they paid anything at all but that they chose to jump in and be invested. However, for the one providing the service, money is always a great way of being able to judge if someone is invested in that service, its not always the case but its become standard practice nonetheless.

I DO believe in paying for services, I just know that I choose to get value out of everything I can. Free or paid for, I am here to learn and grow as much as possible and to share my experience with others who would like to engage. The other day my husband and I were moving into our new place and we hired two men to help us. As we moved two more men, new neighbors of ours offered to help. We tried to pay them but they were only their to lend a hand. So now at the end of the move I had help from my in-laws, 2 paid movers and 2 unpaid neighbors. I valued ALL of their help equally...some were paid and some were not, but I valued their services all equally!!! Actually that's a lie. I think I valued the free help a little bit more from my in-laws and new neighbors! However, I still REALLY appreciated the hard work the two paid movers put forth and at the end of the day, the job got done.

So, here's the catch! Its up to the one receiving the service to choose the value gotten out of it and its up to the one providing the service to declare what form and amount of exchange they wish to be given. I mean, we all have to put gas in our tanks (or wheels on our bikes) and food in our bellies or clothing on our bodies and unless we are bartering chickens, at this point in tyming, moneys the most common form of exchange...I just don't think its the end all be all and I don't let it rule my world, but I do like to play with it cause its FUN to watch the money cheques come in!

As for the RNA Juice...Yes, I too did groan when i saw the squeeze page. My background is in Marketing and Sales and Squeeze pages are really like one of the lowest forms of internet marketing, right there with enlarging your penis and Canadian Viagra emails! I have studied them and even made them, and I was just kind of surprised to see it used for something that is supposed to be as revolutionary of a product as his. I guess from a marketing stand point it was a bit of a let down...I mean, all this hype, for so long we have lay in wait for the day the bread of living water would finally be revealed...sold to you from a squeeze page. I shouldn't bitch too much about it, I see someone put a lot of work into it and I'm not here to hurt their feelings. I wish Matt and everyone involved the biggest success! I guess as a consumer/ potential customer I feel the delivery system of a product is just as important as its benefits. Maybe I'm just being a marketing snob now, but I have my own opinions and no judgmental babble thumper is going to sway me from voicing them.
Author:  InTheDuff [ February 25th, 2011, 2:43 pm ]
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...of sowing and reaping:
Isn't that the same as karma?
The karma that separates you from you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj-GIAACClc

Drinks anyone?
Author:  tayzay [ February 25th, 2011, 7:44 pm ]
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Duffy, not even close.
Karma is the idea/belief that how you live your life will determine the quality of life you will have after reincarnation. If you are unselfish, kind, bla, bla, bla during this lifetime, you will be rewarded by being reincarnated into a new earthly body and into a pleasant life. However, if you live a life of selfishness and evil, you will be reincarnated into a less-than-pleasant lifestyle. In other words, you reap in the next life what you sow in this one.
Sowing and reaping has everything to do with Now.

........thump,thump,thumpthumpthump.

BTW, iON has referred to Luke,Galatians,corinthians etc soooo many times, I took the notion that these verses would clarify things for Me.(they do)
....and so I may walk over to the church and see if they have a bible that is no longer being used to go along with my thumpin' LOL

xoxo
Author:  aSH [ February 26th, 2011, 12:28 am ]
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tayzay wrote:
Duffy, not even close.
Karma is the idea/belief that how you live your life will determine the quality of life you will have after reincarnation. If you are unselfish, kind, bla, bla, bla during this lifetime, you will be rewarded by being reincarnated into a new earthly body and into a pleasant life. However, if you live a life of selfishness and evil, you will be reincarnated into a less-than-pleasant lifestyle. In other words, you reap in the next life what you sow in this one.
Sowing and reaping has everything to do with Now.


I KNOW Duffy was spot on. Read the definition of Karma from WIKI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

"...An academic and religious definition was mentioned above. The concept of karma is part of the world view of many millions of people throughout the world. Many in western cultures or with a Christian upbringing have incorporated a notion of karma. The Christian concept of reaping what you sow from Galatians 6:7 can be considered equivalent to Karma.[40]

According to karma, performing positive actions results in a good condition in one's experience, whereas a negative action results in a bad effect. The effects may be seen immediately or delayed. Delay can be until later in the present life or in the next. Thus, meritorious acts may mean rebirth into a higher station, such as a superior human or a godlike being, while evil acts result in rebirth as a human living in less desirable circumstances, or as a lower animal. Some observers[who?] have compared the action of karma to Western notions of sin and judgment by God or Gods, while others understand karma as an inherent principle of the universe without the intervention of any supernatural Being. In Hinduism, God does play a role and is seen as a dispenser of karma; see Karma in Hinduism for more details. The non-interventionist view is that of Buddhism and Jainism..."

This sounds like a lot of BABBLE for making you less than! Life is not "fair", life is not, "if I'm a good little girl I will go to heaven"! or "If I color outside of the lines I will go to HELL!" WE ARE THE CREATORS! WE CHOOSE IF WE CREATE SHIT IN OUR LIFE OR IF WE CREATE JOY AND BLISS! NO ONE ELSE CHOOSES THIS FOR ME! Also, you going around pointing your finger telling people to not be judgmental is very judgmental of you.
Author:  InTheDuff [ February 26th, 2011, 12:31 am ]
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aSH ... that cat of yours packs one hell of a ROAR! or BANG?
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