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Author: | Chad [ February 5th, 2012, 5:49 am ] |
Post subject: | BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
Part one: http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audi ... 051208.mp3 Part two: http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audi ... 051208.mp3 Chad |
Author: | Bart [ February 5th, 2012, 7:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
Ah, the famous Quaker, quacker, cracker quadrant (all of which have been iON's designations, depending on his mood). Thanks, #1. Downloaded and listening... Bob and Dave Worcester are both Quakers, by the way. Every time they get on the phone together a big earthquake erupts somewhere. I believe that Bob has said that Kroker was the closest of his "holy offices" to accurately describe, or forecast the circumstances of the chip body landscape. He does place Kroker in the penultimate position to his (the final) quadrant, Quote: ... My [Bob's] epyllion (little epic) Phatic Communion with Bob Dobbs is not only a portrait of a tetrad-manager but includes the sub-plot of the xenochronous ("estranged, deviant, double-purposed, determined/somnambulistic synchronicity") decad-dancer in action: with Lyndon LaRouche representing the monad, William Irwin Thompson the dyad, Marshall McLuhan the triad, Arthur Kroker the tetrad, and Bob Dobbs the pentad. ... SOURCE - http://goo.gl/nlt5E A couple of short excerpts on Arthur Kroker: Quote: Arthur Kroker (born 1945 in Red Rock, Ontario, Canada) is a Canadian author, editor, educator and researcher of political science, technology and culture. ... He earned a Ph.D. in political science from McMaster University in 1975. In addition to being a Professor of Political Science at the University of Victoria, Kroker serves as director of the Pacific Centre for Technology and Culture (PACTAC), located at the university. Kroker was appointed to the Canada Research Chair in Technology, Culture and Theory in 2003. He and his wife Marilouise are the editors for the online academic journal Ctheory. ... SOURCE - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kroker Also, Quote: Ira meets up with a guy who's been called the McLuhan of the nineties, technology critic Arthur Kroker. Jack Kerouac meets cyberpunk. Here are some facts you should know about Arthur Kroker. He's 49 years old. He grew up in the small northern Ontario mill town of Red Rock. He left there at age 17 to join a seminary. He wanted to become a priest. He's a tenured faculty member at Concordia University. He teaches political theory from a leftist perspective. He and his wife and longtime collaborator Marilouise live in a comfortable renovated house in downtown Montreal. They don't own a car. Do you think you're getting the picture? Well, here are some other facts you should know about Arthur Kroker. [CD sounds]. A couple of years ago he put out a CD called Spasm, full of bizarre, electroncially sampled music. [CD sounds] He took the CD on the road with a band called Sex Without Secretions. He and Marilouise write a lot about sex of various kinds. They publish an electronic journal. Arthur likes to wear leather. Cutting edge writers and artists across North America consider him to be on the vanguard of postmodern culture. He gets invited to speak all over the world. And that's because Arthur Kroker may be the most interesting thinker about culture and technology that this country has produced since Marshall McLuhan. [CD sounds] Which is why if you're going to paint a true picture of Arthur Kroker, you'll need a very wide canvas and lots of paint. [Part of Kroker lecture] And that's what people at Pittsburgh's Carnegie-Mellon University discovered last week when Arthur and Marilouise Kroker came to speak. They'd been invited there by the Art Department. About a hundred and fifty faculty and curious students were on hand. There was a smattering of nose rings and day glo hair and an attractive young couple in full formal wedding attire participating in their own performance art project. Few people in the crowd knew very much about these Canadian visitors. Most were anticipating the usual sort of art lecture, a heavy dose of theory mixed with a few slides. [Excerpt from performance] What they got instead was a multi-media assault called "Stories for the Flesh Eating Nineties" featuring such tales as "Dead dogs and daddies under the Christmas tree," "Shopping for Jesus," and "Las Vegas Theme Park" all served up by the middle aged couple dressed in black at the front of the hall. ... SOURCE - http://uregina.ca/~gingrich/kintvw.htm I've just started listening to Bob's analysis, and he starts off by providing a setting for the "Kroker quadrant" (of his "Tiny Note" chart; AKA "a chain letter of phase-shifts. XENOCHRONOUS BOB'S TINY NOTE = THE GRAND WAZOO'S DECAD-DANCE. Cyclotron of Holeopathic Cliche-Probes. ( "causes" merging with effects ))". Bob starts by stating that this quadrant (which is actually 1945 - 1960 being replayed from 1972 - 1977 and peaking / crystallizing in 1980) is characterized by a recession occurring in the U.S., the mood of which is represented by the Bee Gee's song, Staying Alive (i.e., a notion of simply trying to survive; stay alive). LINK TO BOB'S CHART - http://www.earmap.com/tinynote/tinynote.html The Kroker quadrant is toward the bottom of the chart (see below). You'll note (for those unfamiliar with Bob's chart) at the center column that various governing bodies are indicated (starting from the top), including "World Government", "Satellite Government", etc., and that the last governing body is "Lockdown BobRule" (also, in the same quadrant, to the right, the Second Coming; iON). Bob reflects on this same chart after iON's appearance in a thread entitled, "Bob Dobbs' New PositiON on the Tiny Note Chart" - http://www.resonantnode.com/ion/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=701&hilit=tiny+note Further links: http://krokers.net (If you click on "Media", you can see Arthur and Marilouise in their own words) http://ctheory.concordia.ca/krokers/grace.html http://uregina.ca/~gingrich/kintvw.htm (article excerpt above) Now to hear what Bob has to say... |
Author: | rhyee [ February 5th, 2012, 11:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
Timely, Chad. And thanks, Bart, for watching Chad's back. Just the other day I put this together to highlight some aspects of the chart that haven't been talked about before (via Akito's new improved Tiny Note Chart [the most correct version]): http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/ca ... _Chart.pdf The 5 Quadrants (with special emphasis on the QUARKTUNE from the far-left column in the Dobbs quadrant): {{ In particle physics, a hadron is a composite particle made of quarks held together by the strong force (as atoms and molecules are held together by the electromagnetic force). Hadrons are categorized into two families: baryons (made of three quarks) and mesons (made of one quark and one antiquark). }} 1. HADRON/Holeopathic Radio/Newspaper/LaRouche/audile-tactile/clairaudience/"I know it au fond" (French) (auditory-resonant) and "I know it like the palm of my hand" (Russian) (iconic tactile)/GLOBAL VILLAGE (1840-1900) 2. MESON/Holeopathic TV/Electric Media/McLuhan/haptic-tactile/clairsentience/"I know it from head to toe" (Japanese) (touch or interval) and "I know it inside out" (American) (kinetic-manipulatory)/SOLAR THEATER (1910-1960) 3. BARYON/Holeopathic Computer/Printed Book//Thompson/tactile-visual/clairvoyance/"I know it as if I'd given birth to it" (Spanish) (proprioceptive-visceral) and "I know it like the back of my hand" (English) (visual)/UNIVERSAL MEMBRANE (1970-1990) 4. DI-QUARK/Holeopathic Satellite Squared/Movie/Kroker/tactile-kinetic/telekinesis/"I know it like a snake swimming in water" (Thailander) (dance of thought among words) and "I know it like the inside of my pocket" (German) (tactile-interface)/MYTHIC EROGENOUS ZONE (1995-2010) 5. DEMON NUCLEI/AP/Magazine/Dobbs/causal effect/xenochrony/"I know NOTHING!!" (Dobbstown) (hexadic) and "I think, I think, I KNOW" (iONdom) (Mystery Body)/MILLENIAL ECSTATICS OF 5-BODIED EXPRESSIONS (2011...) Bob Dobbs |
Author: | Chad [ February 6th, 2012, 4:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
rhyee wrote: Just the other day I put this together to highlight some aspects of the chart that haven't been talked about before (via Akito's new improved Tiny Note Chart [the most correct version]): http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/ca ... _Chart.pdf Even more correct than the old version which had the bottom-right (Rumpelstiltskin) quadrant on an angle? rhyee wrote: The 5 Quadrants (with special emphasis on the QUARKTUNE from the far-left column in the Dobbs quadrant): {{ In particle physics, a hadron is a composite particle made of quarks held together by the strong force (as atoms and molecules are held together by the electromagnetic force). Hadrons are categorized into two families: baryons (made of three quarks) and mesons (made of one quark and one antiquark). }} 1. HADRON/Holeopathic Radio/Newspaper/LaRouche/audile-tactile/clairaudience/"I know it au fond" (French) (auditory-resonant) and "I know it like the palm of my hand" (Russian) (iconic tactile)/GLOBAL VILLAGE (1840-1900) 2. MESON/Holeopathic TV/Electric Media/McLuhan/haptic-tactile/clairsentience/"I know it from head to toe" (Japanese) (touch or interval) and "I know it inside out" (American) (kinetic-manipulatory)/SOLAR THEATER (1910-1960) 3. BARYON/Holeopathic Computer/Printed Book//Thompson/tactile-visual/clairvoyance/"I know it as if I'd given birth to it" (Spanish) (proprioceptive-visceral) and "I know it like the back of my hand" (English) (visual)/UNIVERSAL MEMBRANE (1970-1990) 4. DI-QUARK/Holeopathic Satellite Squared/Movie/Kroker/tactile-kinetic/telekinesis/"I know it like a snake swimming in water" (Thailander) (dance of thought among words) and "I know it like the inside of my pocket" (German) (tactile-interface)/MYTHIC EROGENOUS ZONE (1995-2010) 5. DEMON NUCLEI/AP/Magazine/Dobbs/causal effect/xenochrony/"I know NOTHING!!" (Dobbstown) (hexadic) and "I think, I think, I KNOW" (iONdom) (Mystery Body)/MILLENIAL ECSTATICS OF 5-BODIED EXPRESSIONS (2011...) An iONic upgrade is wrought with the addition of the spiritual gifts (telekinesis, clairvoyance, etc.) to each quadrant. The added plenary awarenesses provide bases for the development of "100 words for (s)know". It's noteworthy that Bob's chart had overlaid/juxtaposed DNA & RNA bases (ACGT/ACGU) in the first column, in anticipation of RnA/C14. For those who don't know the definition of "cyclotron" as mentioned in the chart's masthead, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron ( a.k.a. U.S. Patent 1,948,384 -- Method and apparatus for the acceleration of ions) Chad |
Author: | Chad [ February 6th, 2012, 5:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
Bart wrote: I believe that Bob has said that Kroker was the closest of his "holy offices" to accurately describe, or forecast the circumstances of the chip body landscape. He does place Kroker in the penultimate position to his (the final) quadrant, McLuhan, through the Kroker refractive lens: (from: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=260&p=3095) To dismiss McLuhan as a technological determinist is to miss entirely the point of his intellectual contribution. McLuhan's value as a theorist of culture and technology began just when he went over the hill to the side of the alien and surrealistic world of mass communications: the "real world" of technology where the nervous system is exteriorised and everyone is videoated daily like sitting screens for television. Just because McLuhan sought to see the real world of technology, and even to celebrate technological reason as freedom, he could provide such superb, first-hand accounts of the new society of electronic technologies. McLuhan was fated to be trapped in the deterministic world of technology, indeed to become one of the intellectual servomechanisms of the machine-world, because his Catholicism failed to provide him with an adequate cultural theory by which to escape the hegemony of the abstract media systems that he had sought to explore. Paradoxically, however, it was just when McLuhan became most cynical and most deterministic, when he became fully aware of the nightmarish quality of the "medium as massage", that his thought becomes most important as an entirely creative account of the great paradigm-shift now going on in twentieth-century experience. McLuhan was then, in the end, trapped in the "figure" of his own making. His discourse could provide a brilliant understanding of the inner functioning of the technological media; but no illumination concerning how "creative freedom" might be won through in the "age of anxiety, and dread". In a fully tragic sense, McLuhan's final legacy was this: he was the playful perpetrator, and then victim, of a sign-crime. TC-AK-85&86 Chad |
Author: | Chad [ February 6th, 2012, 5:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
From an email to Den Mu (Kigye/Keith/Hexbodhi), circa 2007: [BOB: The anamorphic(LOFTI) is not the fractal(TU), because the fractal is repeating a pattern, sort of like..... generally the macro and the micro, you keep going miniature- miniature- miniaturized... sort of like a holeopathic thing. But past the holeopathic, when the Rumplestiltskin-separateness(RÂHYEE) from that happening is looking at it as elsewhere, the anamorphic would distort, would take everything to converge on a point, and would distort..... it was basically surrealism, it was optical anarchy where things were going in different directions, and if some of them.... the images would converge on a space, a black hole(MONAD), and what they were trying to express could not be painted, could not be visualized, so therefore the convergence was reflected in any part of the painting, like a fractal, but it was not a pattern of repetition, it was a capitulation, that because they couldn't get the total image of where it was all going to, then any part of it could be represented. So it's decentralized, a decentered thing. We're in an anamorphic situation, at least the Android Meme was anamorphic.... Kroker is very good at explaining that. Not fractal, fractal's more the Thompson, still trying to think that there's a big frame, mystical divine Earth something..... Isis, that we're reflections of, but when the Android Meme takes over then mysticism becomes a victim, because the Android Meme becomes mystical. So where's that leave you sitting in between? So then it becomes anamorphic. You could think of the black hole as where you meet the machine, and that's the pentadic position. So, what.... now, you want to take..... how do you make a piece about the skyscraper? The skyscraper is such an obsolete artefact. I mean, anything around here is not as strong as the cellphone network. That's where people live, that's the new architecture. So you want to eccentrically pick one object and you want to match music with it, but the eclecticism that's going on means that anybody will pick any object and make a composition around it. And it's extraneous, it's transitory, it's expendable, if you get to perform it and people like it, then that's transitory. On to the next expression, the next band comes up. You don't like the eclecticism, it is an effect of it, so therefore you're looking for something solid. If there's anything solid, it's a skyscraper. Now that solidity is very vulnerable, because if you don't like the eclecticism, that's the quadrophrenic environment we're forced in. The only way to get out of it would be cold fusion..... out of that eclectic Android Meme seductiveness, or inevitability. So music as a discipline is subject to that. The stone building could be reflected in the '2001' obelisk, it's a sign of something strange and new and cohering, a standard emerges, you know what I mean? Can't be done unless you have cold fusion, which is not a communicating, arty thing, it's a hardware power source. So that, cold fusion, the cold fusion battery is the new..... is an object to write about that indicates a standard, that gets past the eclectic no-standards. Right? So it's silence..... Oh, I forgot, you know in the bottom of my chart where I had 'holeopathic cliche-probes' and 'AP', and then the ninth phase had the flat line? That's the mystery.] |
Author: | manitouriver [ February 6th, 2012, 6:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
chad wrote: Part one: http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audi ... 051208.mp3 Part two: http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audi ... 051208.mp3 Chad Thanks for posting Chad... interesting conversations. What inspired you to create your tiny-note chart Bob? |
Author: | rhyee [ February 7th, 2012, 3:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
manitouriver wrote: chad wrote: Part one: http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audi ... 051208.mp3 Part two: http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audi ... 051208.mp3 Chad Thanks for posting Chad... interesting conversations. What inspired you to create your tiny-note chart Bob? BOB: We were living in Manhattan in 1995 and I decided that the charts being produced by various people and institutions were completely incompetent... so I set to work. It turned out the world required it. So, it was a major event like: Stravinsky's 1913 concert the Dempsey-Tunney rematch fight on Sept.22, 1927 the T.A.M.I. show on Oct.29, 1964, with James Brown and the Rolling Stones a Babe Ruth homerun record Zappa and the Mothers of Invention on July 29, 1966, in L.A. the Charge of the Light Brigade on Oct.25, 1854 final Canada-Russia hockey game in Sept., 1972 the 3 appearances of the the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show during the month of Feb., 1964. the Clay-Liston fight on Feb.25, 1964 the Battle of the Harvest Moon on Sept.27, 1977 "Etc., etc., you get the picture." iON later told me an Angel or two helped me. My response to iON: "I did not KNOW that!" (said like Johnny Carson used to). Bob Dobbs |
Author: | nid [ February 7th, 2012, 4:04 am ] |
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some kinda messed up Angels sounds to me... sorry hey... i'm outa here back to 'who misses iON' thread - where i belong (or preferably 'short') (they appreciate me there... or not... i forget) |
Author: | Bart [ February 7th, 2012, 10:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BOB Audio Guide to the Kroker Quadrant |
Wanted to note the trademark iONic call distortion that occurred (even though this call took place months before iON's appearance in 2009). Bob and Scott suggested it was due to the subject matter being x-rayed... Now we can say it was the effects preceding the cause... or better yet, cause-effect. |
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