rhyee wrote:
chad wrote:
On the surface, iON's message regarding time could be construed as the "time-denying mind" from the Lewis quotes above. But a deeper look reveals that while there is no time in the sense of a unity of duration followed collectively there is "timing" in the sense of "meter". It could then be (mis)interpreted that this "meter" is private to the individual's Inner Kingdom (back to the solipsistic "time-denying mind" position).
So, how does one have their own timing without falling into the trap of denying the unified force of collective experience (formerly know as Time)? Is it via a unified force of shared TIMING amongst Outer Kingdoms rubbing together?
Chad
BOB: From
http://www.riprense.com/zappa_drinks.htm :
[Matt "The Simpsons" Groening was a favorite attendee of the salons. One evening's arcane chat strayed from favorite bad horror films ("From Hell It Came," featuring the walking tree monster, The Tobanga, was the composer's preference) to a discussion of Zappa's Dada-esque philosophy of creating art: "Anything Anytime Anyplace For No Reason At All," or AAAFNRAA. This led, not illogically, to an exchange about the nature of time. In part, it went like this:
"I think of time as a spherical constant," said Frank, "which means that everything is happening all the time. It provides an easy explanation for premonitions, ghosts, flashbacks, because the whole concept of time that human beings have had is taking something they can't really comprehend and settling for a mediocre explanation of how it works. They take a linear approach to it, slice it in segments, and then hop from segment to segment to segment until they die, and to me that is a pretty inefficient way of preparing a mechanical ground base for physics. That's one of the reasons why I think physics doesn't work. When you have contradictory things in physics, one of the reasons they became contradictory is because the formulas are tied to a concept of time that isn't the proper model. So in my model, time is a spherical constant and everything is happening all the time. And we just don't have access to those segments of the sphere that we might want to access. Except on rare occasions where something goes wrong with the human condition, or some wiring is changed. In some people the wiring may be genetically altered, and you may be able to look not into the future, but just look 'sideways,' and come up with a glimpse of the way things 'will be' down the road in normal person time ---except that you've just seen it now, because it's happening now as well as later." Responded Groening: "That's like reruns!" "Exactly!" said Zappa.]
Bob Neveritt
This is very strange. The notion of time as a sphere had occurred to me a couple
of days before I wrote my "My Reading with iON..." article (
http://bit.ly/fMaAV4).
And here, perusing today (Sunday, Feb. 27), I see a passage from Zappa I'd never
seen before, offering the same analogy.
I've not been introduced to Zappa the philosopher, save for a Youtube video I watched
a year or so ago of Zappa on Crossfire from 1986 (
http://bit.ly/I6xqC).
The analogy seems very fitting. I'm not sure an analogy of time as a plane / surface,
extending in all directions infinitely would be too inaccurate either; where all we'd have
to do is turn (and move) in a certain direction to move forward, backward or sideways
in time...
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